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Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

Mazda-mender — Fri, 09 Dec 2011 15:48:44 GMT

MrChrome:

01mx5:

MrChrome:

zpat:

What is the name of this forum software?

With most forum software, some coder will have written an unofficial add-on to view PMs in a GUI. Of course you would have to choose to install it and use it - and it also would be highly unlikely to increment the "read by" count.

That depends entirely on how well the software is written..... The forum software supplier doesn't seem to know as much as you might expect about the "read count". Either they really do and they just don't want to say or they don't know.

PS I've worked for quite a few software comapnies and this kind of thing isn't as unusual as you think.....

PPS Interestingly enough the counts on my messages haven't been going up recently - good news......

It's much more likely that they know fine well that it doesn't work right but they just don't want to spend the time/money resolving it.

Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

MrChrome — Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:40:15 GMT

01mx5:

MrChrome:

zpat:

What is the name of this forum software?

With most forum software, some coder will have written an unofficial add-on to view PMs in a GUI. Of course you would have to choose to install it and use it - and it also would be highly unlikely to increment the "read by" count.

That depends entirely on how well the software is written..... The forum software supplier doesn't seem to know as much as you might expect about the "read count". Either they really do and they just don't want to say or they don't know.

PS I've worked for quite a few software comapnies and this kind of thing isn't as unusual as you think.....

PPS Interestingly enough the counts on my messages haven't been going up recently - good news......

It's much more likely that they know fine well that it doesn't work right but they just don't want to spend the time/money resolving it.

Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

01mx5 — Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:39:02 GMT

MrChrome:

zpat:

What is the name of this forum software?

With most forum software, some coder will have written an unofficial add-on to view PMs in a GUI. Of course you would have to choose to install it and use it - and it also would be highly unlikely to increment the "read by" count.

That depends entirely on how well the software is written..... The forum software supplier doesn't seem to know as much as you might expect about the "read count". Either they really do and they just don't want to say or they don't know.

PS I've worked for quite a few software comapnies and this kind of thing isn't as unusual as you think.....

PPS Interestingly enough the counts on my messages haven't been going up recently - good news......

It's much more likely that they know fine well that it doesn't work right but they just don't want to spend the time/money resolving it.

Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

MrChrome — Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:20:19 GMT

zpat:

What is the name of this forum software?

With most forum software, some coder will have written an unofficial add-on to view PMs in a GUI. Of course you would have to choose to install it and use it - and it also would be highly unlikely to increment the "read by" count.

That depends entirely on how well the software is written..... The forum software supplier doesn't seem to know as much as you might expect about the "read count". Either they really do and they just don't want to say or they don't know.

PS I've worked for quite a few software comapnies and this kind of thing isn't as unusual as you think.....

PPS Interestingly enough the counts on my messages haven't been going up recently - good news......

Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

Silver Lady — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 23:41:35 GMT

Suppose a good rule of thumb is not to say anything in private pm on here that your not willing to be seen in public !!

Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

muppet — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 09:19:43 GMT

I'm not going to say anything on this subject, people on here know my feeling to the mods on here!

Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

Geoff Walton — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 09:10:38 GMT

Bluenoes:
Geoff, I was not calling you a liar.I was just pointing out the fact that most forum software I have encountered has had the option of viewing PM's. I am very surprised that this one has not got the option.

Fair enough Andy, this Community Server software is the weirdest I've come across. In things like phpBB it is very easy to find your way around, this is another thing altogether

Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

Mazda-mender — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 08:08:41 GMT

Bluenoes:

AT:

TerryM:

I would like to make just one observation on this subject of the privacy of PM's. I am not a computer expert, but from what I read and and hear via the media I believe it is not impossible for forums and the like to be used for the transmission of messages that are not only illegal but also, in some cases, highly undesirable. I'm not sure if non Club Members (who may, or may not, be untraceable) have the facility to use the Private Messaging system, but given that they were I can see that it would not be impossible for a forum such as this to be used for purposes far removed those intended.

Not for one minute am I suggesting or implying that any member of this forum would abuse it in such a way; my thoughts are that at least one Moderator should have the privilege of being able to read PM's should it become necessary in order to protect not only the integrity of the forum of a highly respected Owners' Club, but also all members of the forum.

I think thats where the "etc" comes in. I suppose there may be a possibility, however remote, that some appropriate forum authority, may have to respond to a request from a third party, which might include the police. Someone else might have a better knowledge of what warrants etc are required. I have seen on another MX5 forum, past disputes that have actually threatened to bring in solicitors, so who knows what might happen. A lot of the forum membership do not complete their registration details with a name etc. And the name could be made up. So people are essentially untraceable, as far as I can see.

I really hope, and I expect this to be totally unecessary. I hope by including such wording, some sort of deterrance can be made to the types of low lifes who might be involved in that sort of thing (illegal stuff; transmission of illegal images, swapping of stolen financial data etc).

To be honest, that reasoning was behind me questioning why the forum software does not have the ability for the forums to enable admins to view PM's......

But then you are talking about legal issues.

M-m

Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

Bluenoes — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 07:57:54 GMT

AT:

TerryM:

I would like to make just one observation on this subject of the privacy of PM's. I am not a computer expert, but from what I read and and hear via the media I believe it is not impossible for forums and the like to be used for the transmission of messages that are not only illegal but also, in some cases, highly undesirable. I'm not sure if non Club Members (who may, or may not, be untraceable) have the facility to use the Private Messaging system, but given that they were I can see that it would not be impossible for a forum such as this to be used for purposes far removed those intended.

Not for one minute am I suggesting or implying that any member of this forum would abuse it in such a way; my thoughts are that at least one Moderator should have the privilege of being able to read PM's should it become necessary in order to protect not only the integrity of the forum of a highly respected Owners' Club, but also all members of the forum.

I think thats where the "etc" comes in. I suppose there may be a possibility, however remote, that some appropriate forum authority, may have to respond to a request from a third party, which might include the police. Someone else might have a better knowledge of what warrants etc are required. I have seen on another MX5 forum, past disputes that have actually threatened to bring in solicitors, so who knows what might happen. A lot of the forum membership do not complete their registration details with a name etc. And the name could be made up. So people are essentially untraceable, as far as I can see.

I really hope, and I expect this to be totally unecessary. I hope by including such wording, some sort of deterrance can be made to the types of low lifes who might be involved in that sort of thing (illegal stuff; transmission of illegal images, swapping of stolen financial data etc).

To be honest, that reasoning was behind me questioning why the forum software does not have the ability for the forums to enable admins to view PM's......

Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

AT — Mon, 05 Dec 2011 23:45:30 GMT

TerryM:

I would like to make just one observation on this subject of the privacy of PM's. I am not a computer expert, but from what I read and and hear via the media I believe it is not impossible for forums and the like to be used for the transmission of messages that are not only illegal but also, in some cases, highly undesirable. I'm not sure if non Club Members (who may, or may not, be untraceable) have the facility to use the Private Messaging system, but given that they were I can see that it would not be impossible for a forum such as this to be used for purposes far removed those intended.

Not for one minute am I suggesting or implying that any member of this forum would abuse it in such a way; my thoughts are that at least one Moderator should have the privilege of being able to read PM's should it become necessary in order to protect not only the integrity of the forum of a highly respected Owners' Club, but also all members of the forum.

I think thats where the "etc" comes in. I suppose there may be a possibility, however remote, that some appropriate forum authority, may have to respond to a request from a third party, which might include the police. Someone else might have a better knowledge of what warrants etc are required. I have seen on another MX5 forum, past disputes that have actually threatened to bring in solicitors, so who knows what might happen. A lot of the forum membership do not complete their registration details with a name etc. And the name could be made up. So people are essentially untraceable, as far as I can see.

I really hope, and I expect this to be totally unecessary. I hope by including such wording, some sort of deterrance can be made to the types of low lifes who might be involved in that sort of thing (illegal stuff; transmission of illegal images, swapping of stolen financial data etc).

Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

TerryM — Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:45:59 GMT

I would like to make just one observation on this subject of the privacy of PM's. I am not a computer expert, but from what I read and and hear via the media I believe it is not impossible for forums and the like to be used for the transmission of messages that are not only illegal but also, in some cases, highly undesirable. I'm not sure if non Club Members (who may, or may not, be untraceable) have the facility to use the Private Messaging system, but given that they were I can see that it would not be impossible for a forum such as this to be used for purposes far removed those intended.

Not for one minute am I suggesting or implying that any member of this forum would abuse it in such a way; my thoughts are that at least one Moderator should have the privilege of being able to read PM's should it become necessary in order to protect not only the integrity of the forum of a highly respected Owners' Club, but also all members of the forum.

Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

zpat — Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:58:21 GMT

What is the name of this forum software?

With most forum software, some coder will have written an unofficial add-on to view PMs in a GUI. Of course you would have to choose to install it and use it - and it also would be highly unlikely to increment the "read by" count.

Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

Bluenoes — Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:12:57 GMT

01mx5:

I don't know how I can make this clearer:

There is no way to view PMs through any sort of UI on the forum. The forum software does not allow mods to view PMs. The forum software does not allow admin to view PMs. The forum software does not allow me to view PMs. It is not possible through the forum software for any individual to view a PM that was not sent by them, or from them.

To summarise, the forum software does not allow us to view your PMs. Or, to put it another way, we cannot view your PMs through the forum sofware.

I don't think that there is any more that I can say or do to put your minds at ease other than possibly this thread - http://telligent.com/support/communityserver/community_server_2007/f/165/p/1058274/1327120.aspx

Ramsay, thats cleared it up for me and I can accept what you are saying.

Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

Bluenoes — Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:05:29 GMT

Geoff, I was not calling you a liar.

I was just pointing out the fact that most forum software I have encountered has had the option of viewing PM's. I am very surprised that this one has not got the option.

I just popped along to give some input based on my experience

Re: P.M's not so private, what the hell is this OC........

Steve_C — Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:04:11 GMT

I'm not bothered if the Mods can read PMs. If I have any sensitive/controversial/hairdressing info to send, I don't do it via a public forum PM.

[I assume none of the Mods work for News International?! ]