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Mk2.5 Clutch Judder

Last post Mon, Mar 19 2012 11:46 by audiopro. 7 replies.
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  • Mon, Feb 27 2012 12:12
    • audiopro
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    Mk2.5 Clutch Judder

    Hi Folks,

    I am sure that this must be a well worn topic, but can anyone confirm whether a simple OEM clutch change will cure the clutch judder that Mk2/2.5's seem renowned for? Mine is typical of the breed and can be hard work on a hot day stuck in nose to tail traffic. Done 53000 miles and otherwise drives superbly...

    Thanks in advance.

    Geoff

    audiopro
    MX5 Mk2.5 1.8i Arizona 2002
  • Mon, Feb 27 2012 15:11 In reply to

    Re: Mk2.5 Clutch Judder

     Do they not need the flywheel skimmed as well. Seem to think that was the case but my memory could be wrong on that one.

    eddie

    eddie

    99 Mk2 1.8IS
    08 Mk3 2.0 Sport RC, Drumtochty Glen, Auchenblae,
    Aberdeenshire
  • Mon, Feb 27 2012 16:31 In reply to

    Re: Mk2.5 Clutch Judder

     I was advised by my local dealer when I complained about my 2.5 sport that some of these vehicles were done under warranty and some missed, and the cure was a new clutch assy (I am sure it was a heavy duty pressure plate, drive plate and release bearing) I did learn to drive through the judder as it only happened when driving slowly and in reverse on my car so kept my money in my pocket.Oh as the car was over 4 years old the dealer did offer me 10% off the parts but even a strong worded letter to Mazda as it was a product problem they would not budge

    Alan 

    宮古市.Mk3.5 mx5 1.8 Miyako Velocity Red Mica #39;I&# 宮古市. SOLD Mk2.5 1.8 sport, SOLD 1600 Eunos SOLD
    Thornton Nr Blackpool Lancs.
    IF YOU CAN'T FIX IT WITH A HAMMER, YOU'VE GOT AN ELECTRICAL PROBLEM.
  • Mon, Feb 27 2012 17:01 In reply to

    Re: Mk2.5 Clutch Judder

    Mine had its clutch replaced as an early warranty repair at 13000 miles - it made no difference whatsoever and I have lived with it since (now at 107000 miles on the same clutch). Different fixes were needed for different people, but flywheel skimming at the time of the clutch replacement did solve some I believe. I got over mine by ignoring first gear and I have got used to pulling off in second and I never notice the problem now. I did try first gear a couple of months ago and there was judder then.  I kept promising myself a new clutch but other expenses always got in the way.

    2001 1.8 Mk2.5 Supreme Blue
  • Mon, Mar 5 2012 11:51 In reply to
    • Andy
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    Re: Mk2.5 Clutch Judder

    I had the clutch judder on my previous car, a 2003 Mk2.5 sport at about 40k miles.

    Replacing the clutch fixed it, a huge improvement, without doing anything to the flywheel.

    Andy

    1990 Mk1 Eunos 1.6, Mariner Blue

    (Previously:
    1996 Mk1 Eunos 1.8 S-Special type II, Montego Blue
    2003 Mk2.5 1.8 S-VT Sport, Supreme Blue)
  • Mon, Mar 5 2012 15:36 In reply to
    • Phil S
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    Re: Mk2.5 Clutch Judder

    Never had what I would call clutch judder on my 2003 Mk2.5 Sport and I don't think it's been changed.  I don't think the clutch is as smooth as my Ford Focus though so it may just be a charachteristic of these cars.

    2003 Mk2.5 Sunlight Silver S-Vt Sport 1.8
    All stock - can't afford the extra Insurance premiums.

    Phil
  • Sun, Mar 18 2012 0:43 In reply to
    • Gerryn
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    Re: Mk2.5 Clutch Judder

    Apologies for late post - I don't watch this topic as much as I used to!

    The answer to your question is YES - a clutch change will cure the problem. Question is, where and what type? - the answer to 'where' is up to you, but avoid places like quack*it and garages that know nothing about Mazda's. You could ask for a (more expensive) Mazda replacement, or any good aftermarket Japanese made clutch that fits, you don't need a heavy duty or race type clutch assy.  There is no such thing as a Mazda heavy duty clutch, though Mazdaspeed might fit them to specials.

    As for skimming the flywheel, that depends what the mechanic sees when the flywheel becomes visible, it could be heavily coated with clutch facing material, or just odd spots, the lighter deposits can be sanded off (known practice) but heavy deposits may need a skim on a lathe.

    Makes sure that a new thrust bearing is fitted, and any oil seals that look a bit 'iffy'. Be warned - a Mazda dealer will charge you upwards of £380, more if they can, so give serious thought to where you finish up.

    I have to assume that some owners who replied to this thread were not in the Club between 2002 and 2004 - when intensive reports and success - or lack of it - were daily subjects. It took four fixes from Mazda before club members had a satisfactory replacement, so anyone who had one only missed out on the next three! The fourth replacement (the 'E' type plate) was the one that finally worked, and Mazda began fitting this from 2004 onwards to production cars. However, my mechanic friend (Mark Fryer at Freelance Mazda) was fitting Jap aftermarket clutches well before this, and with equal success, so some of us were whistling dixie while we insisted on a warranty replacement. In 2004 Mazda reverted to the original guarantee of 9,000 miles or one year for both brake pads and clutch plates. I have mixed feelings about this, but seeing as Mazda had a world wide problem, I guess I can sympathise with their motives - the saga must have cost them dearly. 

    All credit is due to Mazda UK and Mazda NE for finally having the guts to sort this out, but the solution was only known to contributors of this forum at that time, we even told the Yanks that the problem was solved, but I don't think they paid much attention to what we said. The light came on eventually!

    Five is Alive 2002 Mk2.5 Sport, with added Mazda body kit, 15 inch Rota Circuit 8 with Toyos, rescued wood rim steering wheel from a crashed Arizona. Air intake mods to come (one day!) Hard Dog Deuce rollbar. and HT (permanent fixture!) - Its still a sportscar.
  • Mon, Mar 19 2012 11:46 In reply to
    • audiopro
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    Re: Mk2.5 Clutch Judder

    Many thanks to all who replied on this topic which such helpful advice. What a great resource this forum is! Time to bite the bullet and get the clutch changed I guess...

    Then all I have to worry about is the crippling price of fuel to run it!

    Geoff

    audiopro
    MX5 Mk2.5 1.8i Arizona 2002
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